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A brilliant and outragously funny satire of society, 7 December 1999
Author: Dave Joerg ([email protected])
"Flodder" is one of the funniest movies ever made and few people realise that it is a Dutch movie made by none other than the Holland version of John Carpenter, the famous Dick Maas, author and director of the thriller "Amsterdamned". The Flodder family is the reincarnation of the term a-social. When the whole family bunch, basically all bastards, criminals and sluts must be relocated from their City slum because of toxic waste under their house, the city council house no choice. The only available space is in the "Zoendal" - the "Sun Valley" the best area in Amsterdam where all doctors, snobs and businessmen can afford to live their lives. And where the central point of interest and politics is the tennis club of the community. The Flodder family brings devastation to the tranquil world that ruled before. They are simply unbelievable. The characterisation is incredibly funny, beginning with Ma Flodder who searches other people's trash cans for food or making illegal liquor in her cellar and ending with the eldest daughter who is the biggest slut on earth. Together they make the most horrible family imaginable, a sort of immoral mirror image to the Brady Bunch or the Waltons. When the City counsel of Amsterdam hoped that the Flodders would show their good will to be more civilised in their new area, it turns out that Holland's most famous family would rather bring out the worst in the rich people of "Sun Valley"-wonderland. The rest is a hilarious, brilliant and well made social satire that can be watched as a provocative movie as well as a straightforward comedy. Dick Maas at his best. I salute him! Flooder was the Dutch smash hit in 1986 and brought two sequels and a tv series. All of the sequels were nice but not as great as the original.
Flodders (1986) is available on DVD in Germany in a dubbed German version in Dolby Digital 5.1. under the name:
"Flodders -Eine Familie zum knutschen"
Why is First Floor Features, the producer of the movie not bringing the Dick Maas blockbusters out on DVD in the Netherlands, I wonder. The are not even available on video there. These movies have so much potential, still to this day and have a huge silent but true following.
没有炫技的镜头，没有跌宕起伏的剧情桥段，只是一个会议的记录和叙述，已经让人毛骨悚然、垂头沉思。
总结：夏油杰手握4461个咒灵打不过祁本里香1个纯爱咒灵
本片的可怕之处在于将讨论如何杀人这件事搞得如此有仪式感。各方不断地为自身利益博弈，那些我们听起来如此反人道的话在他们口中好像日常聊天那般轻松，几千万人的生命就这样被他们在话里行间给决定了。
一群拥有高贵德意志血统的人，在讨论如何将“大规模的屠杀变成一种按部就班的工业操作”…
还挺好看的……剧情有张有驰，没有很吵，画面和音乐还挺有品味的。如果乙骨是漫画的男主角，我可能会很喜欢他……
15个高官讨论1100万犹太人生死和处决方式，全程没有一个人一个镜头流露出犹豫，质疑，同情，就像讨论如何高效处理一群牲畜一样，实在令人震惊……我更感兴趣的是在这个事情上，这帮人的思维和出发点还有手法，到底是怎么考虑这个大规模屠杀消灭犹太人的这个事情的，看完我也大概明白了……
但跟犹太人大屠杀相比却又有差别
看现在死宅一脸兴奋冲出电影院说“好好看我喜欢”的时候甚至会感觉现在的小孩有点可怜……吃制作精良的垃圾吃久了，连正常的饭是什么味道就忘记了。环境变成这样 你我都有罪。两星给mappa至少打戏画面花钱下功夫认真做了。
不如《阴谋》（2022.5.07豆瓣8.0分）
原评被删。补：人只是一个数字，你如何死去并不重要，重要的是，你该如何不浪费时间、空间，运力、财力、有秩序、合法地死去。一旦将人非人化，任何杀戮都变得合情合理。
电视里放就跟着看了，唉，一群人笑着讨论另一群人的生死，唉……一段沉重的历史…
杰：没拉着悟一起当诅咒师是我失蒜了
怪不得高分电影，的确是让人不寒而栗。不过以前有了解过奥斯维辛以及相关历史，震撼少了点，但是整个电影所表达的还是充满了无尽的黑暗和邪恶。只可惜世人可曾铭记？人类文明总是如此重蹈覆辙。
系统性的恶，往往会让人忘掉所有人都是个体的人。那些最基层的执行机器，会有一刻感受到良心的刺痛么？不知为何我总是联想到这个春天的上海。
要警惕的是独裁、反人性往往也是以看似民主程序的方式进行的。各部门互相推诿的现场让我仿佛来到了某国的很多会议现场。
可能我不是特别喜欢这种形式 有些沉闷 但是反映出来的还是可以的
系统性的恶，往往会让人忘掉所有人都是个体的人。那些最基层的执行机器，会有一刻感受到良心的刺痛么？不知为何我总是联想到这个春天的上海。
——史上最恐怖会议：万湖会议
德国式的仅仅有条减少了部分既视感，不过既视感依然强烈。犹太人要不是那么听话守秩序，纳粹清理他们时一定效率达不到那么高。施害和被害双方通力合作虽然过程不算愉快但结果很是惊人。
宏观叙事抹杀个体价值的绝佳案例。相比于热评里提到的艾希曼，个人认为施图卡特这个角色更不错，独立人格、理性思辨与立场坚定的品质他都有，但信仰让他从拉斐尔变成撒旦的助手。
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